Overview
The Lodge Tent is a “ready to camp” accommodation. Experience the pleasure of camping effortlessly, this is what the Lodge tent offers you located on large charming pitches with an area of more than 150 m2. The “à la carte” layout makes it possible to take full advantage of the space without partitions (the tent is furnished differently according to the number of people occupying, and this without additional cost). The furnishing and decoration make the Lodge tent friendly and comfortable. This floor-mounted tent is, by its size and unique design, extremely practical and functional. Floor mats and vintage furniture, the decoration is also the asset of this unusual accommodation.
Description
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9.01 / 10
1220 reviews
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9.92 / 10
Lee D
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
August 2024 4 days
Posted :
10/09/2024
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Lovely historical setting, everything thought of with plenty to do onsite or in surrounding area.
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Very homely and comfortable.
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10 / 10
Gemma E
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
August 2024 7 days
Posted :
30/08/2024
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Camping Le Brévedent hits the perfect spot for us - utterly authentic and chilled but also doing a great job of catering for families with activities that are brilliant enough to get adults involved too. The pool, restaurant, cafe, playgrounds and live music are all great, and the friendly staff give it a real unique air - I can’t even think of an equivalent holiday park in the UK because of that French je ne sais quoi.
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Perfect - really comfortable and spacious
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8.91 / 10
Kristien V
Type of stay :
Family with teenager(s)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
July 2024 14 days
Posted :
05/08/2024
General information :
Hele fijne sfeer op de camping, vriendelijke mensen en de muziekavonden zijn geweldig!
Sanitair kan wel een opknapbeurt gebruiken, maar voldoet.
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Mooie ligging aan het meertje en lekker veel ruimte voor de tent!
Een afdakje/ luifel (naast de parasol) oid zou fijn zijn, zodat je ergens droog kan zitten als het regent (en daaronder buiten kan koken) en wat meer schaduw hebt
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8.27 / 10
Sophie V
Type of stay :
Family with baby(ies)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
July 2024 7 days
Posted :
10/07/2024
General information :
Camping zag er idyllisch uit; de eigenaren en andere werknemers super vriendelijk; fijn zwembad; mooie en ruime camping plaatsen
Het eten in het restaurant was niet van goede kwaliteit
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Groot, charmant ingericht, ruim, comfortabel bed, mooi uitzicht.
Liever twee gaspitjes om te koken.
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9.82 / 10
Johanna V
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
June 2024 7 days
Posted :
04/07/2024
General information :
Mooie camping, vriendelijk personeel. Alles was schoon. We verbleven in een lodge tent. Dat was gezellig ingericht en rond de tent was er veel ruimte. We stonden aan het meer en door het riet was dit toch gewoon goed te doen met kleine kinderen.
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Gezellig ingericht, stevige tent.
We hadden zelf iets beter moeten realiseren dat het in een tent nooit echt donker wordt, dus de kindjes sliepen s avonds pas heeeeel laat.
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10 / 10
Gabriel M
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
May 2024 4 days
Posted :
16/05/2024
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Super séjour avec un temps idéal. Nous avions une tente lodge qui se rélève très conforatable
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Les lits sont très confortables et nous étions au bord d'un bel étan !
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8.46 / 10
Jennifer C
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
September 2023 2 days
Posted :
17/09/2023
General information :
La propreté, le calme
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10 / 10
Jolanda P
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
August 2023 5 days
Posted :
03/09/2023
General information :
Een gezellige camping met een gemoedelijke sfeer. Vriendelijk personeel.
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Groot genoeg voor ons 4en.
We hebben voor de zekerheid fleecedekens mee genomen. Die hebben we wel gebruikt, het koelde s nachts wel af.
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10 / 10
Sergej D
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
August 2023 12 days
Posted :
25/08/2023
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Very nice camping, the owners are great what a relaxed atmosphere. The kids really enjoyed themselves lots of activities and possibilities to play.. love it
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8.46 / 10
Kim D
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
August 2023 7 days
Posted :
24/08/2023
General information :
Hele mooie camping, sfeervol, aandacht voor het milieu, comfortabel, leuke mensen, supervriendelijk personeel. De bar en de live muziek zijn echt bijzonder
Eten in restaurant was oké, niet super. De speeltuin pal ervoor daarentegen is wel fantastisch
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Sfeer, goede bedden
Erg klein koelkastje, geen pannen om in te koken (wel om in te bakken)
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8.77 / 10
Abdelmoula E
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
August 2023 1 days
Posted :
24/08/2023
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the place was amazing the kids enjoyed the pool and the surrounding
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clean and large tente
the price for one night :-)
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9.85 / 10
Louise J
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
August 2023 6 days
Posted :
22/08/2023
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The animals, chickens running around, babbling brook, magical forest, amazing live music, care for the environment, loads to discover - climbing trees, playgrounds, zipwire, wonderful , friendly, environmentally-conscious team, lots of vegetarian food
The bottom of the site feels just a little crowded - the pitches are very close together but still mostly peaceful and quiet. Maybe the plant-based options could be expanded in the cafe- e.g. plant-based milks for coffee, and one plant-based ice cream option would be great :)
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Comfy beds - doors at the side which we could peek out of to look at the trees, butterflies and flowers
There were stains on our canvas tent which at first we thought could be mould but it didn't smell of mould at all - probably just flecks of mud and rain. Not really a problem but made it look a bit dirty/mouldy
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7.85 / 10
Hans J
Type of stay :
Family with teenager(s)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
July 2023 4 days
Posted :
14/08/2023
General information :
De smaakvolle en gezellige optredens, even wat anders dan de standaard musicals en campingbands. Ook een mooi locatie in een beekdal,. Erg vriendelijke staf.
Het sanitair was verouderd. Sommige douches functioneerden niet goed. Het eten in het restaurant zou ook wat beter kunnen.
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Sfeervolle inrichting. Mooi en heel ruime plek met schaduw en zon. Heerlijke plek om te zitten, prima tuinmeubilair. .
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9.31 / 10
Emma B
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
August 2023 3 days
Posted :
14/08/2023
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Everyone was so welcoming and friendly. I enjoyed the community/ family atmosphere. Beautiful location and aesthetic of the campsite. My son found it easy to make friends which was a big bonus
The food at the restaurant was disappointing. I would like it to be more french bistro style. / salads etc Maybe more activities for kids 10- 13. The crazy golf was fun but a bit too crazy. Could it be repaired to make it better
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We loved it
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9.69 / 10
Alycia T
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
July 2023 14 days
Posted :
10/08/2023
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Always wonderful — a perfect holiday.
Love everything
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Loved the location. Beautifully decorated and kitted out.
Not quite as spacious as expected — with children and all their stuff! One of us found the bed too hard/firm so ended up sleeping on the pull out bed instead.
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9.62 / 10
Han K
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
July 2023 7 days
Posted :
31/07/2023
General information :
Het is een prachtige kleinschalige camping in een mooie omgeving. Genoeg te doen in de buurt, maar op de camping ook voor jong en oud, de dieren de live muziek, de bar, het restaurant en het zwembad. Allemaal erg mooi en heel plezierig! Ook de campungeigenaar Rafael is een echte fijne vent. Super geïnteresseerd en behulpzaam. Wij komen zeker terug.
Niets
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Hele mooie ruime tent, perfect voor 4 personen. Alles wat je nodig hebt is aanwezig
Kookstelletje op gas zou nog wel fijn zijn
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7.85 / 10
Irene B
Type of stay :
Family with baby(ies)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
July 2023 14 days
Posted :
20/07/2023
General information :
Gemoedelijk, live muziek, café met terras, zwembad, kinderboerderij, groen, kleinschalig, veel kinderen.
Sommige douches werkten suboptimaal, afvoer/afzuiging idem - hierdoor sanitair wat minder, hoewel het er wel vrij schoon was.
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Ruime tent, bed oké, meubilair prima. Let erop dat je apart een kooksetje erbij moet huren (alleen bbq inbegrepen). Handig voor ons dat het huren van een baby-setje (campingbedje en kinderstoel) mogelijk was.
We misten een voortent, bij regen moest alles weer naar binnen verplaatst.
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10 / 10
Charlie L
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
July 2023 7 days
Posted :
11/07/2023
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Un cadre idyllique. Un accueuil juste parfait. Les emplacements sont tous charmant et spacieux. La piscine est grande. Plusieurs concerts dans la semaine. L'équipe est impliqué et au petit soin de ses vacanciers. Je recommande chaleureusement le camping du Brevedent.. Un camping respectueux de l environnement. A proximité de magnifiques village typique normand et des plages de la côte fleurie.. Approchez approchez du Brevedent n'ayez crainte ??
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Le côté insolite.. la luminosité de la tente... Des lits dans une tente c est quand même cool !! Mini frigo et électricité.. c est dépaysant mais c est pas non plus koh lantah ??.. Le hamac au bord du lac est vraiment un + .. Tente parfaitement étanche .
Un peu frais le matin mais les couettes sont fournies.. donc prenez un petit pyjama et tout se passera bien..
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9.92 / 10
stasja D
Type of stay :
OAP couple
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
July 2023 2 days
Posted :
09/07/2023
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beautiful place
I liked everything
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romantic
cosy
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10 / 10
Aurelien L
Type of stay :
Family with teenager(s)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
May 2023 3 days
Posted :
08/05/2023
General information :
les animaux en liberté, la campagne, la foret, le lac, la piscine, la douche
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nous avons était surclassé donc nous avons eu droit a un chalet au lieu d'une tente. le chalet pour 4 personnes est top. je me suis permis d'aller ouvrir une tente pour voir et elle m'ont l'aire vraiment bien aussi, terrasse, cuisine, hamac, barbecue, juste besoin de ce qu'il faut pour dormir par rapport au chalet.
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10 / 10
Alison A
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
September 2022 2 days
Posted :
08/09/2022
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We love it here, so tranquil. The people are lovely and very accommodating, the site is utterly beautiful and safe to allow the kids freedom to play. There is an ethos of sharing & respect and kindness that you can feel as you move around the site.
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We had never glamped before and we were not disappointed! Lovely space and the little touches, such as pretty china cups, made our break very special. The beds were super comfy and rugs on the floor added extra comfort. The hammock by the lake was ultimate relaxation!
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9.54 / 10
Thomas A
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tentes Lodge
Period of stay :
August 2022 7 days
Posted :
31/08/2022
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Busy yet peaceful and quiet and incredibly relaxing. Staff were all amazing, male waiter (tattoo on elbow) always gave 110%. No light pollution - incredible night skies.
Toilet block near vegetable garden. Perhaps some info on public transport in the area
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Beds very comfortable, linen very very good. Lots of space. All equipment was good.
Mould on the tent. Guy lines cross over each over between the tent paths.
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9.85 / 10
Gemma E
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
August 2022 3 days
Posted :
30/08/2022
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Everything was great from the restaurant and amenities to the layout and general relaxed ambiance
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The perfect 'glamping' experience
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10 / 10
Hannah S
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tentes Lodge
Period of stay :
August 2022 7 days
Posted :
27/08/2022
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We had the most wonderful week at Castel camping in one of the lodge tents (out spot was saved for two years due to covid so thank you again to the team for that!) And wow, what a delight! A stunning location, warm welcome and a lovely, relaxed atmosphere throughout. So much for the kids (swimming pool, pony trekking, a stream to paddle in, animals to pet, playground etc) but also for the grown ups too (we loved the live music!) Our 6 year old daughter is already asking if we can go back next year. A great base to explore Normandy but also a genuine pleasure to spend time and chill out in.
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A beautiful lodge tent, cosy and comfortable inside and a gorgeous outdoors location- right on the lake to bat watch at night!
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9.27 / 10
Ian E
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tentes Lodge
Period of stay :
August 2022 9 days
Posted :
25/08/2022
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This is a little piece of heaven. A happy, safe and fun place we have been back to seven times. Raphael and all his team are simply excellent hosts.
Just the journey from the far north of England - but then the fact that we put up,with that to spend time here speaks volumes! Bravo Raphael! Oh and I guess the recycling area was overflowing on more than one occasion.
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Cosy, well and tastefully furnished
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9.38 / 10
Nicolas B
Type of stay :
Family with teenager(s)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
August 2022 2 days
Posted :
24/08/2022
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Camping très agréable et beau, bonne ambiance, avons adoré la soirée des ratures ! Camping propre, accessible et accueillant!
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La simplicité, plus de confort par rapport à une tente! La joie du camping !!
Manque plaqué de réchaud !
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9.31 / 10
Charlotte B
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
August 2022 2 days
Posted :
22/08/2022
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We had the most wonderful time! A cool and quirky campsite in gorgeous surroundings. The family were always polite, friendly and very helpful, not to mention super talented! The music on Friday and Sunday was fantastic and there was a really lovely vibe around these areas. Thank you for a fab few days, we can’t wait to return!
The shower was quite cold but I’ll forgive this campsite as everything else was perfect!
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It had everything we needed. It was clean and comfortable. Lots of useful furniture but also plenty of space. Loved the outside area with hammock, deck chairs and table and chairs.
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10 / 10
Jacqueline M
Type of stay :
Family with teenager(s)
Accommodation :
Tentes Lodge
Period of stay :
August 2022 7 days
Posted :
18/08/2022
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We love everything about Le Brevedent! It is family run, relaxed and friendly. The children have freedom and safety in the natural surroundings. It is not over commercialised and yet they find plenty to entertain themselves. The owner Raphael has a band that play twice a week in the open air and they encourage anyone that wants to play/sing to come up. I can’t praise it enough. We’ll be back!
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Glamping at its best
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9.6 / 10
Liliane D
Type of stay :
OAP couple
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
August 2022 2 days
Posted :
12/08/2022
General information :
Le site est très calme et reposant dans un superbe cadre de verdure c’est l’endroit idéal pour passer des vacances en famille le site dispose de jeux en plein air pour les enfants et les piscines sont bien adaptées pour les plus jeunes
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Très spacieuse et bien équipée cette tente lodge , intérieur cosy avec les tapis, c’est top!
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8.77 / 10
Tim H
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
July 2022 4 days
Posted :
05/08/2022
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Incredibly helpful staff - Merci Raphael! Beautiful setting, let’s of activities/places to keep children happy. Good food and drink options. Community spirit.
Nothing to dislike - maybe open the cafe in the mornings?
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Good size, clean and good facilities (fridge etc). Lovely location and outside space.
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9.55 / 10
Steevan G
Type of stay :
Family with teenager(s)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
July 2022 5 days
Posted :
03/08/2022
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We love the atmosphere, setting and wonderful friendly staff. The music nights are fabulous
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Spacious and comfortable with a great view and bbq and exterior seating & hammock are great.
The kitchen equipment lacked a good big chef style knife and there were no bowls only plates. Perhaps a chopping board for meat and one for non meat might be a good idea
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8.83 / 10
Ester V
Type of stay :
Family with teenager(s)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
July 2022 7 days
Posted :
30/07/2022
General information :
Heerlijke camping, gemoedelijk en veel sfeer. Open podium avond is erg vermakelijk. Zwembad prima, wat aan de kleine kant. Locatie is een mooie uitvalsbasis voor Normandie. Half uur naar het strand, ook erg leuk.
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Mooie ligging aan het meer, ruim opgezette plek. Alle voorzieningen aanwezig. Sfeervol.
Bedden waren wat aan de harde kant, keuken kit erg minimaal.
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8.82 / 10
Joachim R
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
July 2022 3 days
Posted :
16/07/2022
General information :
Le Brévedent is a (relatively) small and picturesque camping situated next to a small pond, in an area of Normandy that invites you to lay back and relax. Children love to run around on the camping, jump in the swimming-pool and feed the rabbits. We loved to barbecue, as each lot of the camping has it's own little bbq. Le Brévedent's host and team is totally sympathetic and warm-hearted.
The on-camping restaurant unfortunately has nothing of the charm of the rest of the camping and we found the quality of the cooking quite below the standard of Normandy's excellent cuisine
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Spacious lodge tent. Very clean. Super charming. Cosy.
The nearby road is quite busy in summer and can produce some traffic noise (during day mostly).
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9.42 / 10
Carole B
Type of stay :
Family with teenager(s)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
July 2022 3 days
Posted :
16/07/2022
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Le terrain boisé. L'environnement magnifique.
La piscine est plutôt réservée à un rafraichissement, petite trempette mais pas trop adaptée si on a envie de faire quelques longueurs.
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Tout était super. Pourquoi pas rajouter un plateau dans le matériel, pour apporter à table les différents plats et couverts au lieu de faire de multiples aller/retour
Les arbres plantés seront les bienvenus quand ils auront atteint une certaine ampleur. ainsi, ils permettront de créer un espace un peu plus délimité entre les emplacements. Pour autant, merci de nous pas nous "ranger" dans des emplacements clôturés de haies tirées au couteau!
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10 / 10
Richard F
Type of stay :
With friends
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
July 2022 6 days
Posted :
16/07/2022
General information :
A beautiful and clean site set in stunning surroundings. The staff are wonderful and very helpful and friendly. I would highly recommend camping le brevedent to anyone and will certainly be visiting again.
There is nothing to dislike.
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Good, clean, camping fun.
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9 / 10
Thomas G
Type of stay :
Young couple
Period of stay :
July 2022 2 days
Posted :
11/07/2022
General information :
Beautiful location in a quiet and well kept campsite with plenty to do and good facilities. The pool is clean and well maintained and all the staff are friendly and helpful. Even if (like me) your French is terrible.
The restaurant was a bit disappointing, considering the location in the breadbasket of France. Not bad as such, just bland. Toilet and shower block were very clean and well kept, but very dark.
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Very airy, comfortable accomodation. Very clean and well presented with most everything you would need for a stay provided. The little extras like the hammock and welcoming gifts really made it feel special. If you like to cook then probably bring some of your own equipment, its not possible for the site to provide everything.
Nothing.
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9 / 10
Jean - Luc M
Type of stay :
OAP couple
Period of stay :
May 2022 7 days
Posted :
30/05/2022
General information :
cadre verdoyant , faune et flores interessante.
aucun
Accommodation review :
hebergement confortable , cabinet de toilette propre spacieux equipement au top (douche,chauffe eau,toilette)
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7.91 / 10
Michael Stout
Type of stay :
OAP couple
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
August 2021 3 days
Posted :
11/09/2021
General information :
Tent was very good, and we enjoyed the music in the evening!
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Electricity & Bed!
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9.43 / 10
Jacqueline Sporken - vd Velden
Type of stay :
On your own
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
August 2021 4 days
Posted :
29/08/2021
General information :
Prachtige camping. Veel groen met verschillende bomen. Ruime plekken. Wij hadden een Lodge gehuurd. Heerlijke bedden. ijskastje, waterkoker. Bij aankomst een flesje cider. Helemaal leuk. Ligging tent bij klein meertje. Je hoorde de vissen spartelen. Personeel bijzonder aardig en relaxed. Minpuntje was het sanitair. Dit behoefde duidelijk een upgrade.
Het sanitair aan onze kant was minimaal en zeker aan revisie toe.
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Ruime tent met heerlijke bedden. Ligging aan meertje erg leuk.
Geen negatieve ervaringen.
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8.69 / 10
Henryk Bukowski
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
August 2021 3 days
Posted :
21/08/2021
General information :
Ambiance détendue
Un peu trop néerlandophone car du coup plus difficile pour nos enfants de s'entendre avec les autres.
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Parfait.
Seulement surpris de ne pas avoir d'allumettes et allume-feu avec le kit BBQ et pas de liquide vaisselle.
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8.6 / 10
Frédéric Leprévost
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
July 2021 2 days
Posted :
05/08/2021
General information :
le camping était calme et accueillant, la tente était très agréable.
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le confort de la tente était impeccable, le matériel mis à disposition également.
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8.82 / 10
Maud Ramakers
Type of stay :
Young couple
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
July 2021 7 days
Posted :
30/07/2021
General information :
The atmosphere is relaxed and personal. The vibe of this camping is just so friendly! We enjoyed the bar, restaurant, music nights and spacious showers. The owners are such kind people!
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spacious tent, clean, everything we needed. Also loved the hammock!
Our particular stand (L10) barely had any shadow in the afternoon. Between about 17:00h and 19:30 there was no shadow at all. We were lucky with the sunny weather, but unfortunately in this time frame it would simply be too hot at our stand to stay there without shadow. We would usually flee to the bar or the pool. So a tip would be to create more shadow in this place :)
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9.25 / 10
Stasja - Amsterdam
Type of stay :
OAP couple
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
August 2020 7 days
Posted :
16/09/2020
General information :
Geweldige locatie met vriendelijke mensen en voorzien van alle comfort.
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zeer comfortabele tent met heerlijk bed en veel eigen ruimte; goede bbq-mogelijkheden.
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7.77 / 10
michiel - DRIEBERGEN-RIJSENBURG
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
August 2020 7 days
Posted :
26/08/2020
General information :
Tres bien
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Tres comfortable
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9.2 / 10
Griet - Turnhout
Type of stay :
Family with child(ren)
Accommodation :
Tente Lodge
Period of stay :
July 2020 7 days
Posted :
22/07/2020
General information :
Beautiful place, beautiful people. I'd definitely recommend it!
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The Glamping tents are a bit too close to each-other, a little bit more space in between them would be nice
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